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| darkwarrior | Aug 12 2010, 04:56 AM Post #1 |
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Why were 17 & 18 in the future so vile and ruthless while in the past they were much stronger albeit calm? I never understood how Trunks coming back in time could just change things so much. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 12 2010, 05:06 AM Post #2 |
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I don't know if I can explain it myself. I guess Trunks going back and forth like that just changed things for some reason. But one thing that should be noted is that we saw the present Androids right from when they were activated. We don't know how long it's been since the Androids were activated in the future to when they annihilated everything... if that sentence made any sense. So it could be that the Androids we know from the present would have turned out just like those ones, but things just happened a lot differently and they didn't go down that path. |
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| darkwarrior | Aug 12 2010, 05:10 AM Post #3 |
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True but my only guess is that statement that Gero made about activating them early (because he was overwhelmed by the Z-fighters and was being chased). Maybe if he activated them when he intended to, they would have still killed him but went on a murderous rampage like in the other two timelines. In the main timeline, they stated that they were only after Goku whereas in History of Trunks they stated that they despise humans. Maybe it could have also had something to do with Goku being dead before they were activated. Edited by darkwarrior, Aug 12 2010, 05:12 AM.
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| J-Smack | Aug 12 2010, 05:13 AM Post #4 |
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It also did not make much sense to me that their power was dramatically different. Of course, they say that if you even kill a fly in the past, blah, blah... |
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| darkwarrior | Aug 12 2010, 05:16 AM Post #5 |
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Yeah, it seemed everyone in the future were much weaker than their present timeline counterparts. Like Vegeta was actually holding his own in his fight with 18 in the present timeline but in the future he was killed by 17 without him breaking a sweat. These timelines have too many plotholes. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 12 2010, 08:16 PM Post #6 |
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#17 is stronger than #18 though, so it makes sense to me. And usually I have the present Androids around 1.2-2x stronger than the future Androids. They didn't appear to be massively stronger, just a bit. The thing that might throw off the notion that they're stronger, though, is the fact that they were toying with Trunks in the future, so he never knew exactly how strong they were; therefore, they could have been just as strong as our Androids but we can't be sure. |
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| darkwarrior | Aug 12 2010, 10:42 PM Post #7 |
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I think the past Androids were still much stronger than their future counterparts. Even if the androids in Trunks's future were toying with him, he was still able to tell when he fought them in the past. And I don't think 17 is much stronger than 18. Slightly maybe. Think about it. In the History of Trunks, the androids said they were done playing around and 17 fired a shot at Trunks but he got back up immediately. He even stated that he was tougher than he thought. But in the past, 17 smacked Trunks on the ground and then 18 simply threw Vegeta at him to knock him unconscious. And before that, Trunks (as a SSJ) went full speed and swung his sword at 18 and it didn't even damage her. So the Androids in the past were obviously much stronger than their future counterparts. Edited by darkwarrior, Aug 12 2010, 10:43 PM.
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| + Pelador | Aug 13 2010, 12:32 AM Post #8 |
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I agree. I don't know if it's a dubline but in the anime Trunks states that the androids are much more powerful than the ones in his time. As for the temperment and power discrepencies, that can be explained. In the timeline where they are stronger, Gero has not had the time to perfect the Androids. So they are not pure killing machines yet. They still have some human emotions left. Whereas in the future he probably removed many emotions to make them more efficient killers. As for the power difference, he may have believed that they were too powerful to control so he made them weaker, believing it would allow him to control them more easily. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 13 2010, 11:50 AM Post #9 |
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Actually, I think #17 is quite a bit stronger than #18. In the Piccolo-#17 fight, #18 is absolutely amazed that someone could stand up to #17, meaning she considers him in high light. Well, this is the manga we're discussing, so anime doesn't count. We don't know how Trunks' fight went down in the manga, it's never shown. While the special is a good representation, it's still inaccurate right from the start of it. In the manga version, Trunks is already a Super Saiyan, for one. |
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Aug 14 2010, 12:02 AM Post #10 |
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In both timelines the andriods should be the same. Or should I say the cyborgs are the same. Trunks is under the impression that they were fighting full out against him and Gohan. Later we find out that Trunks impression is in fact wrong because 17 tells Gohan he has been toying with him. |
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| darkwarrior | Aug 14 2010, 03:20 AM Post #11 |
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No, I think what Pelador said was spot on. When Future Gohan fought the androids one last time, he was beating the crap out of them and it took everything they had to kill him. The androids definitely weren't toying around during that battle. Vegeta in the present timeline is much stronger than Future Gohan and he was beaten pretty easily by 18. There's absolutely no way that the androids in Trunk's timeline are stronger than the ones in the present timeline. |
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Aug 14 2010, 11:08 PM Post #12 |
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Trunks thinks that the andriods are stronger because he assumed they were trying their hardest. This is contradicted by what 17 tells Gohan. Making wild assumptions on how strong Gohan was or how strong Vegeta is just sillyness. Trunks make a statement which is contradicted. There is no reason to believe one is stronger than the other. |
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| + Pelador | Aug 14 2010, 11:40 PM Post #13 |
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It's not contradicted in the manga from what I recall. I think I remember Trunks stating that The present day Androids are much stronger. You also have to factor in that everyone has been training for 3 years whereas in the future timeline they were caught off guard. So if everyone's stronger than they were in the future, and they all get one shotted by Android 17, including Trunks who says he could handle them in his time, it seems that the present Androids are stronger. |
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Aug 15 2010, 12:30 AM Post #14 |
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What are you not getting? Your assumtion is based off of Trunks statement. Trunks statement is contradicted by 17. End of story. |
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| + Pelador | Aug 15 2010, 12:54 AM Post #15 |
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It's not end of story because 17 never contradicts Trunks in the manga. That's what you're not getting. |
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